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on Dec 23, 2016

No mention and pic of the Boeing-Saab T-X?

on Dec 23, 2016

Read the intro at the bottom. This is a gallery of the competition a clean-sheet winner of T-X will face in the international market.

The point being that, whatever the clean-sheeters might claim, the export market is not there to be taken so easily.

on Jan 4, 2017

Seriously, Graham? Most of these are nowhere near the same class as the T-X clean-sheeters, as you call them. How about an apples to apples comparison?

on Jan 4, 2017

Well, you got a point with the inclusion of turboprops, but the modern jets are capable.

on Jan 4, 2017

A never ending sieve (more of the swamp) for the purpose of separating the taxpayer from their money as if their seems no end to the billions available. 12 billion for a trainer, ARE YOU KIDDING!!! To reduce the cost by millions of dollars per pilot, military pilots should be trained at civilian flight schools through instrument and multi engine. Followed by advanced T-6 (civilian contractor or military) , followed by their assignment aircraft (military).

on Jan 4, 2017

Will be interesting to have pilots with a civilian pilot attitude in the front seat. Sustained g-force - I'm getting sick... Enemies coming in - I fly home... dog fight - is that at all possible; I was trained on a 737...
This will be fun :)

on Jan 6, 2017

Navy Penn is already doing this through PVT. The AF has used civilian contractors in T-41s for years. It is time to contract all primary flying, (through multi turbine) to civilian flight schools to save a billion or so a year......secondly it is ridiculous to send all military pilots through jet training, only for them to end up in transport category aircraft such as a C-130, or KC-10. The vast majority of C-130 pilots have never laid hands on a military jet other than in training. A sad waste of money and resources.

on Jan 4, 2017

Straight from a T-6 to a single seat F-22/F-35A?!
Its such a great idea that i wonder why no one in this entire planet does that.

on Jan 6, 2017

Close. From the T-6 trainer to the F-22 sim, then to the F-22.

on Jan 6, 2017

If that was so obviously achievable achievable why no Air Force does that?

on Jan 6, 2017

For almost forever the USAF progression was from the T-41 (Cessna 172) to the T-37 (tweet) to the T-38. The T-37 was a two engine jet but not likely as good of a mid level trainer as the T-6 is today. From the near jet Tweet to the very high performance T-38 for advanced training. With the high sophistication of sims today, why not transition from the T-6 to the F-22 sim to the F-22?

on Jan 4, 2017

It is interesting that Boeing are putting forward an expensive clean sheet design, when they are in partnership with BAE for the Navy's Gosshawk.

But BAE are bidding the proven, low risk, probably low cost BAE Hawk AJT.

on Jan 4, 2017

"But BAE are bidding the proven, low risk, probably low cost BAE Hawk AJT"

No, BAE teamed with Northrop. The Hawk AJT was droped from the T-X competition for quite some time.

on Jan 4, 2017

You might wish to update the Image caption to reflect the recently-announced sale to the French Air Force and others.

"... orders boost Pilatus’s total sales of the PC-21 to 209 aircraft [with nine customers]."

on Jan 4, 2017

Since it takes a lot of money design and manufacture an airplane, but not much to contest a contract award, we might assume that several years of lawyering will precede the start of production, no matter who wins.

on Jan 4, 2017

Save costs but have the 'Best Training'.
Use something like the BAE for initial training and then go to specially modified existing F-16s with digital cockpits and ASEA radars, etc. etc.

on Jan 4, 2017

Sales beyond the US are very unlikely. The vast majority of the world's air forces will not wish to pay the inevitably outrageous price the normal USAF cost overruns will result in.

A gold plated trainer is not what most consider necessary.

on Jan 4, 2017

If most new aircraft have winglets installed; what is the purpose of not winglets on these new trainers?

on Jan 4, 2017

Winglets save fuel by reducing drag and are only really of benefit on aircraft that sped a lot of time in the cruise. And they can be a liability in maneuverable aircraft as they can stall.

There is no compelling benefit to a training aircraft. The Yakovlev Yak-130, on which the Aermacchi M-346 was based, originally had winglets, but no longer has them.

on Jan 4, 2017

The meat is in the T-X contract. If they sold any to other countries it would just be a bonus.

The countries where the foreign partners are located may be interested, however. (Saab Sweden, KAI Korea, Leonardo Italy, BAE UK, TAI Turkey)

If it's a great training system with a great value, it will sell itself. If it's a gold plated airplane that doesn't perform up to spec, may be a tough sale.

on Jan 4, 2017

If the Trump Admin is going to cancel the F-35 program; then there isn't any need to spend $13Billion for a new trainer as new pilots can fly retired F/A-18 Super Hornets from Davis-Monthan Air Force Boneyard in Tucson, AZ.

on Jan 4, 2017

Did you forget to take your medication today? The F-35 isn't going anywhere and there aren't retired Super Hornets waiting to be used as trainers.

on Jan 4, 2017

I DON'T THINK SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

on Jan 5, 2017

Light drizzle in a teacup.

on Jan 6, 2017

Retired Super Hornet´s?
A) There are no retired Super Hornets, there are retired Hornets.
B) A twin seater Super Hornet weights between three and two and a half times more than any of the proposed AJT´s, it has between four to two and a half times more thrust than the proposed AJT´s, the logistics and fuel costs of a twin seater Super Hornet fleet are several times higher than any of proposed AJT´s

on Jan 5, 2017

Hey, LM, how about a block 60 F-16D without all the bells and whistle's?

on Jan 6, 2017

A ten ton, mach 2, 9g´s trainer equiped with a 15 ton thrust engine would firmly stuck LM with the most expensive (and by quite a massive amount) option in the T/X competition.
What LM and KAI did was to offer a "Viper Lite" wraped around a much smaller/weaker engine, the F-404. The T-50 Golden Eagle has quite a lot of viper in it.

on Jan 8, 2017

AW&ST seems to forget about the Northrop entry.
I for one am excited to see what Scaled Composites came up with in performance and cost.

I Northrop is smart, they'll come in as being 98% in performance of the top performer and number one in cost while being 80% of cost of #1 performer.

on Jan 11, 2017

"Did you forget to take your medication today? The F-35 isn't going anywhere . . ."
- TheBomberMafia

You are probably correct but there isa a lot of opposition to the F-35 on the extreme right that has gone largely unnoticed. Opposition to the "establishment elite" extends to defense profiteers. This problem may also extend to the T-X and any other big ticket program.

Trump and his myrmidons have perceived corporate submission to Trump Tweets as proof that Trump is both right and omnipotent, that corporations like Boeing and Lockheed Martin are gouging the taxpayer.

conservativereview.com/commentary/2017/01/will-trump-be-the-president-to-finally-tear-up-the-pentagons-blank-check

breitbart.com/big-government/2016/12/21/httpswp-breitbart-comwp-adminpost-phppost5781537actionedit/

prisonplanet.com/now-trump-has-cost-of-out-of-control-f-35-fighter-jet-program-in-his-sights-after-calling-for-new-air-force-one-to-be-canceled.html

To some on the alt-right (a major constituent of the Trump base) the F-35 is seen as an hated Obama program.

freerepublic.com/focus/news/3509108/posts?page=44

Even the old conservative guard National Review has the F-35 targeted.

nationalreview.com/article/443612/f-35-donald-trump-should-cancel-failed-f-35-fighter-jet-program

Let us not forget that Senate Committee on Armed Services Chairman John McCain is no fan of the F-35.

cnn.com/2016/04/26/politics/f-35-delay-air-force/index.html

Let us also not forget that ever so many Republicans are terrified of a Trump's Own Party primary opponent that his wish may well be treated as a dictat.

Trump may see cancelling a 16.3 billion dollar program as another great victory which will earn the applause of his mob.

on Feb 24, 2017

Looking at pix of all these candidates it appears the LM/Korean entry is air refuelable per markings just aft of canopy. If so, seems this would give that particular jet a specific & truly unique edge should the brain trust at AETC take a hard look at incorporating refueling into SUPT training syllabus. Seems prudent to tackle apprehension over watching a boom coming down on you at 300+kts as early as possible.

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