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Podcast: Canada’s F-18 Surprise and the Outlook for Fighter Sales

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on Dec 2, 2016

Another excellent Podcast. Thx.

on Dec 2, 2016

That was a waste of time. I could have read all that blather in less time than it took for them to hem and haw through it.

Podcasts are like texting. Fashionable perhaps, but defective due to low data transmission rate.

Australia still has not got the F-35s it needed to replace their beloved Pigs years ago. Lockheed still can't provide the airplane it was promising well over a decade ago.

So Canada buys a small number of interim aircraft that will be ready for upgrade to Growlers when the F-35 (or something better) is finally ready.

BFD.

Lockheed might try delivering on time and to spec sometime. It might make people inclined to buy their airplanes (at cost promised might help too).

In the long term, when the F-35 is finally ready for Prime Time, Australia and Canada will probably be happy with them.

Until then I notice Lockheed is praying for more F-16 orders to provide cash flow.

on Dec 5, 2016

"I could have read all that blather in less time than it took for them to hem and haw through it." It's a pity you didn't, it would have permitted you more time to troll on another site.

on Dec 5, 2016

I share come concerns about the F-35 program but when your goal is to put one of the most advanced aircraft in the world in the hands of your pilots, you have to expect a big budget, complexity, and yes, some errors in predicting just how development will unfold. Lockheed is being paid to push the envelope, and history shows that they know a little something about that. I just hope that we have enough money left to buy and operate a fleet large enough to effectively leverage the investment we've made.

on Dec 5, 2016

It is now obvious the Aus Military knew what they were doing when they bought the Super Bugs pre-wired etc. to be converted to Growlers. They must have known they probably would be needed by the time the F35 would be ready. By then counters would have been developed to counter most of its 1996 specifications. Hopeless. Just when will they really be ready. Interesting that the US NAVY is adopting a similar approach.

on Dec 6, 2016

The Aussies didn't buy "pre-wired to be Growlers". They bought 24 Growlers. They had thought about converting some of their existing ord Re: of the E model into an Re:-wired ones but in the end they bought 12 and then 12 more Growlers. Canada unfortunately isn't being smart enough t buy these as presided either. We are just buying the basic ad model. It's a sop to air Turdo's election promise to scrap the F-35 to run a sole source procurement to Boeing. Wrong decision for a country that can only afford to buy 65 of them in he first place. This decision says nothing about the capabilities of the F-35 but more about the clueless nature of our PM (who was just "deeply saddened by the death of Fidel Castro").

on Dec 5, 2016

I would much rather see an article on why we have become to technical. Its high time to get back to flying the Aircraft rather than allowing the computers to fly us.

on Dec 5, 2016

Yeah, because it's much more fun to be limited by the response of analog servo laws and get waxed by whatever Sukhoi's got cooking.

on Dec 5, 2016

Lol article talks about F-18's but pictures F-16 with conformals really...

on Dec 5, 2016

All are sub-standard. Pod, comments, aircraft. Everyone better step it up.

on Dec 5, 2016

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on Dec 5, 2016

Thanks.

on Dec 5, 2016

I am no troll, nor would I have the knowledge to play such game decently, but I have to subscribe to Mark Lincoln 's comment. Written articles are way handier than podcasts, especially when always on the go like me and many more professionals.

on Dec 5, 2016

It appears Canada may buy the F35 after all. They are just buying time to see if it improves a few years from now.

on Dec 6, 2016

Not necessarily, it's mostly more BS from junior.

on Dec 5, 2016

I have to agree about podcasts. With any luck they'll soon go the way of the beeper.

As to the F-35 - at what point is too many years overdue going to be enough years overdue for somebody responsible to pull the plug?

At what point will the F-35s purported advances in stealth and electronic technology be erased by the other side's advantages in radar/computer technology? This aircraft is so egregiously overdue that there is no surprise factor left in it. By the time it finally becomes flyable as a weapons system, will the other side have had more than enough time to cancel out the F-35's not so new technology?

While the B model might make an OK Harrier replacement for the Marines,
the other models might just end up being a 21st Century Brewster Buffalo.

Will too much time and money EVER be enough time to cancel it, or will we still be reading about the F-35s problems in 2016?

on Dec 5, 2016

Well it is 2016 now so I guess so.

on Dec 5, 2016

what's with a picture of an F-16, and talking about F-18's

on Dec 5, 2016

I have to agree that podcasts are a total waste ot time. I can read the transcript of that podcast in a fraction of the time it takes me to listen to it.

Moreover, inconsistencies in the reporting leap out in print but are harder to spot in a recording (not singling AW&SF out for this, and at least there IS editing in the written articles - editing a podcast is much more work).

It's not much more work to, if you have to have a round-up article, to let the correspondents speak and transcribe their remarks.

on Dec 5, 2016

Discussing Canada's Super Hornet acquisition vs Australia's, James Drew wasn't entirely accurate. When Australia ordered Super Hornets, they had already selected the F-35 and the Hornet was genuinely an interim acquisition, to tide them over before the F-35s arrived. In Canada, the politicians, led by the prime minister, the ineffable Justin Trudeau, have appropriated the CF-18 replacement and in the process have totally mismanaged it. No one knows what will replace the CF-18 and apparently no decision will be reached for another 5 years. Exactly what purpose the 18 Super Hornets Canada proposes to buy (no contract has been signed) will serve is uncertain. It's one unholy mess but, sadly, typical of Canadian military procurement.

on Dec 5, 2016

The fact that Canada is proposing to buy interim Super Hornets probably is due to the fact that the F-35 is a colossal FLOP. Due in large part to Justin Trudeau's election promise to kill their future purchase. But Lockheed certainly hedged their bets by with all export partners by locking them in with shared development costs that are difficult to just walk away from. Canada in fact just recently paid out a $300 million fee to stay in the development loop. An outright cancellation of these dogs would incur huge $$ penalty. Trudeau is coy about an actual cancellation of the order that was made by his predecessor. Typical behavior from this pantywaist neophyte. But he'll soon change his tune after a sit down with Donald Trump.

on Dec 6, 2016

No, the recent payment was 30 million, not 300 million. BTW, the payment was late, just like everything else to do with Canadian military procurement.

on Dec 6, 2016

johnfedup:

You are indeed correct on the dollar amount. A typo on my part. I got carried away with the ZEROS. Too much thinking about the sum total of F-35's and Trudeau...... ZERO.

KMR
on Dec 6, 2016

I couldn’t agree more about podcasts. They are nothing but a self-indulgent waste of time and can be painful to listen to.
You can assess a written transcript and read the parts that are of interest in less time than it takes to listen to the introductory waffle.
Please Aviation Week, abandon the podcasts and/or provide a written transcript or even better, a properly thought out and edited article.

on Dec 6, 2016

With Canada buying Super Hornets, it's less likely they will buy any other fighters for a long time.

on Dec 8, 2016

Ok we all agree the F-35 is behind it still has not met all its goals etc, but the fact is it is still the most advanced and best overall airframe we have sans the F-22. Pilots generally love it even with its flaws, below is a link to one of the most recent stories where pilots talk about the quantum shift in abilities the F-35 affords. Sure its isnt completely there yet, but I have yet to hear of a pilot saying they would rather have a Gen 4 aircraft when they know they would be just getting waxed by Gen 5s that they never even see.

theaviationist.com/2016/12/08/four-of-the-most-experienced-usmc-f-35b-pilots-speak-about-their-aircraft-and-they-say-its-exceptional/

on Jan 4, 2017

Why is our Canadian media so fixated on the F-35, a plane so buggy and overpriced that it reminds me of Windows Vista and the Super Hornet, a plane so underpowered and overweight that it has worse air-to-air flight characteristics than our existing CF-18's? Why are you completely ignoring the best plane for the RCAF, the Saab JAS-39E Super Gripen? I didn't hear you mention it once! All I heard was talk about those two useless American light bombers! What is up with that?

To anyone who actually knows planes, it's pretty obvious that the plane we should be getting is the Saab JAS-39E Super Gripen which should be operational by 2019. In the meantime, we should just try to buy South Africa's fleet of JAS-39C Gripens which have been maintained by Saab to be in perfect condition but are proving to be unaffordable to South Aftrica. Those planes would be available now, not in two years time like the Super Hornets and would cost us much less to both buy and operate. Why would we buy brand-spanking new planes just to use as an "interim solution"???

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